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[2007-06-08T15:32:33+00:00]<Lcarsdata2>chuck: it should work now
[2007-06-08T15:32:57+00:00]<Lcarsdata2>might need a bit more work, but it works
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[2007-06-08T15:33:19+00:00]<chuck>ACTION says hi
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[2007-06-08T15:33:36+00:00]<chuck>the actions need a bit more work lol
[2007-06-08T15:33:38+00:00]<chuck>same for me
[2007-06-08T15:35:03+00:00]<Lcarsdata>ACTION found the problem
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[2007-06-08T15:35:45+00:00]<Lcarsdata>should be fixed now
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[2007-06-08T15:36:11+00:00]<Lcarsdata>well, nearly
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[2007-06-08T15:36:18+00:00]<Lcarsdata>($4 instead of $3)
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[2007-06-08T15:36:41+00:00]<!--Lcarsdata thinks this will work
[2007-06-08T15:36:51+00:00]<Lcarsdata>\o/
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[2007-06-08T15:37:46+00:00]<!--chuck tests it also
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[2007-06-08T15:41:54+00:00]<chuck>testing
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[2007-06-08T15:42:27+00:00]<chuck>wow! it worked
[2007-06-08T15:42:39+00:00]<chuck>`¡™£¢∞§¶•ªº–≠œ∑´®†¥¨ˆøπ“‘«åß∂ƒ©ƒ˙∆˚∆¬…æΩ≈ç√∫˜µ≤≥÷
[2007-06-08T15:42:41+00:00]<Lcarsdata>on yours?
[2007-06-08T15:42:56+00:00]<chuck>yes, yours also
[2007-06-08T15:54:36+00:00]<Lcarsdata>chuck: why do you have a shortcut to IrcLogger.log in /mnt/aux0/archiv ?
[2007-06-08T15:55:06+00:00]<_syphilis_>symlink! shortcut is a windows thing
[2007-06-08T15:55:18+00:00]<Lcarsdata>oh, yeah
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[2007-06-08T15:58:12+00:00]<Lcarsdata>_syphilis_: is there a quick way to logout and login again using a keyboard command?
[2007-06-08T15:58:24+00:00]<_syphilis_>what are you trying to achieve by doing that?
[2007-06-08T15:58:57+00:00]<Lcarsdata>reset the console
[2007-06-08T15:59:03+00:00]<_syphilis_>reset how?
[2007-06-08T15:59:21+00:00]<Lcarsdata>so it updates to my .profile
[2007-06-08T15:59:34+00:00]<_syphilis_>". ~/.profile"
[2007-06-08T15:59:38+00:00]<Lcarsdata>ok
[2007-06-08T16:02:37+00:00]<chuck>Lcarsdata: it's a symlink because i wasn't sure if the data in /mnt/aux0/archiv/ was temporary or permanent, so i made the log file in my home directory readible and made a symlink to the file in /mnt/aux0/archiv/
[2007-06-08T16:02:53+00:00]<Lcarsdata>oh, ok
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[2007-06-08T16:10:45+00:00]<chuck>brb
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[2007-06-08T16:15:17+00:00]<Lcarsdata>bored bbl
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[2007-06-08T16:17:41+00:00]<chuck>!replag
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[2007-06-08T16:20:16+00:00]<chuck>!replag
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[2007-06-08T16:20:19+00:00]<chuck>`replag
[2007-06-08T16:20:19+00:00]<LogicBot>s2 Replication Lag: 1 second
[2007-06-08T16:27:54+00:00]<Connel>hmmm. Years of rants against public logging of IRC, and now http://tools.wikimedia.de/~robert/irclogs.html . I wonder why they finally came around.
[2007-06-08T16:28:32+00:00]<_syphilis_>Connel: people who aren't insane have no problems with logging irc
[2007-06-08T16:28:34+00:00]<_syphilis_>:)
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[2007-06-08T16:28:46+00:00]<_syphilis_>that rule comes from foundation people who think irc is somehow private
[2007-06-08T16:29:53+00:00]<Connel>public logging is better, for at least three reasons I can see right off. But still, it is a curious change.
[2007-06-08T16:30:12+00:00]<_syphilis_>we used to have tim's logs here ages ago
[2007-06-08T16:30:53+00:00]<_syphilis_>(and there's never been a rule against logging in this channel, whatever those people try to say)
[2007-06-08T16:31:04+00:00]<Connel>OTOH, it is good to have IRC logs /archived/ to /dev/null periodically.
[2007-06-08T16:33:35+00:00]<Connel>I understand that one might feel as if they can speak more candidly if there is an impression that a channel is not publicly logged. But the "keep em honest" aspects of logging outweight those concerns, IMHO.
[2007-06-08T16:34:10+00:00]<_syphilis_>but you really can't. i could be logging #wikipedia now and publish it tomorrow. no-one knows i'm not.
[2007-06-08T16:34:14+00:00]<Connel>The only bad thing is that now people might actually see how many tpyos I really make.
[2007-06-08T16:34:40+00:00]<Connel>_syphilis_: I said "impression that..." :-)
[2007-06-08T16:35:25+00:00]<Connel>Oh wow, you're logging #wikipedia? Good show.
[2007-06-08T16:35:47+00:00]<_syphilis_>sometimes i think about it just to make a point
[2007-06-08T16:36:11+00:00]<chuck>lol me too
[2007-06-08T16:36:20+00:00]<chuck>yeah, i agree, that rule is stupid
[2007-06-08T16:37:45+00:00]<chuck>"Don't post public logs of any channels without prior permission from all persons quoted. This is a good rule of thumb, but some channels do not have this restriction - if in doubt, check."
[2007-06-08T16:37:47+00:00]<chuck>lol
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[2007-06-08T16:54:26+00:00]<erwin85>Hi, I use crontab to run some scripts and store the output in a log file. However as of today I'm receiving e-mails with the output? Does anyone know why and how I can use log files again?
[2007-06-08T16:54:31+00:00]<erwin85>My crontab file looks like:
[2007-06-08T16:54:32+00:00]<erwin85>00 * * * * /home/erwin85/bin/runcommands >> /home/erwin85/log/runcommands/$(date +\%Y\%m\%d).log
[2007-06-08T16:54:46+00:00]<_syphilis_>was the output an error? >> only redirects normal output, not errors
[2007-06-08T16:54:54+00:00]<_syphilis_>(add 2>&1 at the end if you want errors to go there too)
[2007-06-08T16:54:59+00:00]<Lcarsdata>have you inserted a newline at the end of the file?
[2007-06-08T16:55:03+00:00]<erwin85>No, there were no errors.
[2007-06-08T16:55:15+00:00]<erwin85>Lcarsdata, don't know. I'll check.
[2007-06-08T16:56:01+00:00]<erwin85>Nope, added a blank line. I'll see in 5 minutes if that works, but I don't remember changing my crontab lately.
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[2007-06-08T16:58:24+00:00]<_syphilis_>erwin85: i see output in ~erwin85/log/runcommands/20070608.log. what was mailed to you?
[2007-06-08T16:58:56+00:00]<erwin85>Geen opdrachten
[2007-06-08T17:00:39+00:00]<erwin85>It appear some of the runs are indeed written to the log file. Since 7 UTC or something like that I've been receiving e-mails.
[2007-06-08T17:00:46+00:00]<_syphilis_>7 AM?
[2007-06-08T17:01:20+00:00]<Shadow42>_syphilis_: (While we're talking about cron) Does the # column in the crontab correspond to the job ID?
[2007-06-08T17:01:23+00:00]<_syphilis_>the # column?
[2007-06-08T17:01:26+00:00]<Shadow42>Yeah
[2007-06-08T17:01:53+00:00]<Shadow42>In my crontab I see "# m h dom mon dow command"
[2007-06-08T17:02:06+00:00]<_syphilis_>Shadow42: the # marks a comment, it's not a column legend
[2007-06-08T17:02:13+00:00]<Shadow42>Aaah.
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[2007-06-08T17:02:29+00:00]<_syphilis_>erwin85: according to the comment in output() in wikipedia.py, it goes to stderr unless you tell it not to, and that command doesn't tell it not to
[2007-06-08T17:02:32+00:00]<Shadow42>Makes sense, dunno why I didn't see that
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[2007-06-08T17:04:45+00:00]<_syphilis_>erwin85: according to the comment in output() in wikipedia.py, it goes to stderr unless you tell it not to, and that command doesn't tell it not to
[2007-06-08T17:05:09+00:00]<erwin85>Ah I see.
[2007-06-08T17:05:22+00:00]<erwin85>I did update pywikipedia this morning.
[2007-06-08T17:05:22+00:00]<erwin85>So I guess that's new.
[2007-06-08T17:05:27+00:00]<erwin85>Thanks!
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[2007-06-08T17:40:13+00:00]<_syphilis_>after reboots, hardly any memory is being used. it makes me happy.
[2007-06-08T17:40:16+00:00]<heinz>!replag
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[2007-06-08T17:41:03+00:00]<chuck>`uptime
[2007-06-08T17:41:06+00:00]<LogicBot>0
[2007-06-08T17:41:08+00:00]<chuck>:(
[2007-06-08T17:41:09+00:00]<Lcarsdata>lol
[2007-06-08T17:41:17+00:00]<chuck>:P
[2007-06-08T17:41:45+00:00]<chuck>what's the command to kill all of my processes?
[2007-06-08T17:42:36+00:00]<Lcarsdata>pkill -u chuck
[2007-06-08T17:42:38+00:00]<_syphilis_>pkill -U $LOGNAME
[2007-06-08T17:42:45+00:00]<Lcarsdata>pkill -u charlie
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[2007-06-08T17:45:17+00:00]<Filnik>Hello
[2007-06-08T17:45:19+00:00]<chuck>there we go
[2007-06-08T17:45:50+00:00]<valhallasw>why is monkey patching such an hellish business?
[2007-06-08T17:46:15+00:00]<valhallasw>well, it's evil, of course
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[2007-06-08T18:04:04+00:00]<Lcarsdata>_syphilis_: What causes the memory to go up in use?
[2007-06-08T18:05:12+00:00]<chuck>Lcarsdata: more programs running lol
[2007-06-08T18:05:26+00:00]<Lcarsdata>i guess
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[2007-06-08T18:55:53+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Wow, the toolserver seems to be running fast today.
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[2007-06-08T19:13:21+00:00]<bayo_O>!replag please
[2007-06-08T19:13:33+00:00]<bayo_O>!replag
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[2007-06-08T19:25:08+00:00]<bayo_O>hello, is any body know how find help about the database ?
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[2007-06-08T19:25:57+00:00]<bayo_O>for exemple i would like to know why the table "redirect" dont have all redirections
[2007-06-08T19:26:14+00:00]<bayo_O>*contain
[2007-06-08T19:32:28+00:00]<Bryan>somebody has experience with tunneling mysql using putty?
[2007-06-08T19:32:45+00:00]<Bryan>I've put 3306 in source port
[2007-06-08T19:32:59+00:00]<Bryan>and sql:3306 in destination
[2007-06-08T19:33:41+00:00]<valhallasw>that should work
[2007-06-08T19:33:47+00:00]<valhallasw>connect to localhost:3306 on your computer
[2007-06-08T19:34:07+00:00]<valhallasw>bayo_O: either it is an outdated table or it is a cache table
[2007-06-08T19:34:23+00:00]<valhallasw>'select page_redirect from page' would be the correct way to check for redirects
[2007-06-08T19:35:18+00:00]<Bryan>no connection on localhost:3306
[2007-06-08T19:35:37+00:00]<chuck>did you leave the PuTTY window open?
[2007-06-08T19:35:52+00:00]<Bryan>yes
[2007-06-08T19:36:18+00:00]<Bryan>using plink:
[2007-06-08T19:36:23+00:00]<Bryan>plink -ssh -R 3306:sql:3306 bryan@hemlock.ts.wikimedia.org
[2007-06-08T19:36:25+00:00]<Bryan>works neither
[2007-06-08T19:36:42+00:00]<_syphilis_>in normal ssh, you would use -L, not -R, -R is for forwarding a remote port to the local system
[2007-06-08T19:36:46+00:00]<_syphilis_>not sure if plink is the same
[2007-06-08T19:37:19+00:00]<Bryan>oh ok
[2007-06-08T19:37:21+00:00]<Bryan>yes, that works
[2007-06-08T19:37:23+00:00]<Bryan>thanks
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[2007-06-08T19:38:43+00:00]<bayo_O>valhallasw, thanks a lot of your explain. Problem with page_redirect is in some cases its hard to know the target name
[2007-06-08T19:38:57+00:00]<valhallasw>bayo_O: hmmm
[2007-06-08T19:39:10+00:00]<valhallasw>I'm not sure how the redirect table is generated
[2007-06-08T19:39:15+00:00]<valhallasw>it might be a toolserver cache table
[2007-06-08T19:39:27+00:00]<valhallasw>which is (was?) generated from the content
[2007-06-08T19:39:57+00:00]<bayo_O>how can we knwo it ?
[2007-06-08T19:40:16+00:00]<_syphilis_>no such table was created by us
[2007-06-08T19:40:40+00:00]<valhallasw>bayo_O: the entries that are missing; are they old or new?
[2007-06-08T19:41:22+00:00]<bayo_O>:/
[2007-06-08T19:41:28+00:00]<bayo_O>relay dont know
[2007-06-08T19:42:03+00:00]<valhallasw>I assume you've found a missing redirect?
[2007-06-08T19:42:05+00:00]<bayo_O>a page from 2006/11/2 is into the table
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[2007-06-08T19:43:40+00:00]<bayo_O>for exemple the redirection http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro_gamer&redirect=no is not in the table 'frwiki_p.redirect'
[2007-06-08T19:44:45+00:00]<valhallasw>20060820...
[2007-06-08T19:44:54+00:00]<valhallasw>hm.
[2007-06-08T19:44:57+00:00]<valhallasw>weird
[2007-06-08T19:46:33+00:00]<bayo_O>i ask this onlt to know, its not a big *important* question :)
[2007-06-08T19:46:45+00:00]<bayo_O>only
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[2007-06-09T06:09:46+00:00]<!--Connel heard a rumor that he's not allowed to have a page on toolserver, for detecting open proxies.
[2007-06-09T06:10:40+00:00]<Connel>While I go to read up on the latest rules, could someone explain the rationale for such a rule?
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[2007-06-09T06:57:43+00:00]<TheLetterE>Does anyone know when the next update of Toolserver/New accounts
[2007-06-09T07:01:03+00:00]<TheLetterE>will happen?
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[2007-06-09T09:20:41+00:00]<valhallasw>Connel: er?
[2007-06-09T09:21:06+00:00]<valhallasw>sounds like a really bad joke tbh
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[2007-06-09T10:09:28+00:00]<Filnik>Hello
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[2007-06-09T10:34:15+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Connel: The reason you are not permitted to have such a page is because it can cause issues (websites complaining to the toolservers internet privider about it querying other websites)
[2007-06-09T10:35:05+00:00]<TheLetterE>Lcarsdata: Do you know when the next toolserv new accounts update will be? DaB. said it would be last weekend, but it never happened...
[2007-06-09T10:35:23+00:00]<Lcarsdata>TheLetterE: Apparently this weekend AFAIK.
[2007-06-09T10:37:29+00:00]<TheLetterE>Alright... I've been waiting for ages as I have two bots waiting for the toolserv account request to either succeed or be declined...
[2007-06-09T10:38:13+00:00]<Lcarsdata>They are done about once a month however this month was delayed because of account expiration that had to be sorted out.
[2007-06-09T10:38:34+00:00]<TheLetterE>Alright thanks for clearing that up.
[2007-06-09T10:54:16+00:00]<valhallasw>oh, wait, I misread Connel
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[2007-06-09T10:54:58+00:00]<valhallasw>I read your message as 'I am not allowed to have a page on the toolserver because of the detection of open proxies'
[2007-06-09T10:55:02+00:00]<valhallasw>so ignore me, again ;)
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[2007-06-09T11:48:26+00:00]<Lcarsdata>On the toolserver is Sunday day 0 or 7 in crontab?
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[2007-06-09T12:18:51+00:00]<valhallasw>there is no way to check from the database whether a certain section exists or not, right?
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[2007-06-09T12:30:00+00:00]<ST47>Why is toolserv saying Your account will expire on Friday, 07 December 2007.
[2007-06-09T12:30:03+00:00]<ST47>?
[2007-06-09T12:30:15+00:00]<ST47>That's a long time from now :(
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[2007-06-09T12:33:50+00:00]<valhallasw>ST47: becaust it will expire then ;)
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[2007-06-09T12:37:11+00:00]<Lcarsdata>ST47: Accounts are scheduled to expire every six months.
[2007-06-09T12:37:17+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Read [[Toolserver]]
[2007-06-09T12:37:17+00:00]<unilinky>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Toolserver?redirect=no
[2007-06-09T12:37:50+00:00]<ST47>yeah, I know that, but last time it didn't bug me about it until about a month beforehand
[2007-06-09T12:38:14+00:00]<Lcarsdata>_syphilis_: Recently enabled\added the thing which does that.
[2007-06-09T12:38:29+00:00]<Lcarsdata>She was intending to for quite a while AFAIK.
[2007-06-09T12:39:47+00:00]<valhallasw>hum.
[2007-06-09T12:39:54+00:00]<valhallasw>nlwiki_p.langlinks seems kinda.. fooked
[2007-06-09T12:40:05+00:00]<Lcarsdata>ST47: I would hardly say that it 'bugs' you either. The message on login is now much shorter than it used to be anyway.
[2007-06-09T12:40:14+00:00]<Lcarsdata>valhallasw: I will have a look.
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[2007-06-09T12:40:23+00:00]<valhallasw>no ll_title entries it seems
[2007-06-09T12:40:35+00:00]<valhallasw>or at least
[2007-06-09T12:40:39+00:00]<valhallasw>lots are missing :|
[2007-06-09T12:41:45+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I have looked.
[2007-06-09T12:41:49+00:00]<Lcarsdata>There are some ll_title entires.
[2007-06-09T12:41:55+00:00]<valhallasw>yes
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[2007-06-09T12:49:34+00:00]<valhallasw>great
[2007-06-09T12:49:43+00:00]<valhallasw>why does a sum function return NULL >_<
[2007-06-09T12:50:19+00:00]<Lcarsdata>valhallasw: which programming language?
[2007-06-09T12:50:51+00:00]<valhallasw>sql
[2007-06-09T12:51:19+00:00]<Lcarsdata>ok
[2007-06-09T12:51:39+00:00]<valhallasw>it sums over zero entries
[2007-06-09T12:51:44+00:00]<valhallasw>and thus returns null
[2007-06-09T12:52:30+00:00]<_syphilis_>Connel: some sites see port scanning, proxy testing, etc. as malicious activity. even though it's not, we don't want the hassle of dealing with it.
[2007-06-09T12:57:59+00:00]<valhallasw>geez. My entry for the evil sql haxor contest:
[2007-06-09T12:58:05+00:00]<valhallasw>select sum(length(ll_lang)+length(ll_title)+5) as sum from langlinks right join page on ll_from=page_id where page_title='Grebbelinie' and page_namespace='0' group by ll_from;
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[2007-06-09T13:03:30+00:00]<valhallasw>oh wait, it's getting worse
[2007-06-09T13:03:33+00:00]<valhallasw>select coalesce(sum(length(ll_lang)+length(ll_title)+5),0) as sum from langlinks right join page on ll_from=page_id where page_title='Grebbelinie' and page_namespace='0' group by ll_from;
[2007-06-09T13:03:37+00:00]<valhallasw>:')
[2007-06-09T13:04:23+00:00]<valhallasw>now I wonder...
[2007-06-09T13:04:56+00:00]<Lcarsdata>_syphilis_: Would you happen to know why when I visit google.com on the toolserver (via lynx) i get redirected to google.nl (even when I use the link to google.com on google.nll)
[2007-06-09T13:05:12+00:00]<_syphilis_>because google redirects you to the local site
[2007-06-09T13:05:15+00:00]<_syphilis_>use google.com/ncr
[2007-06-09T13:05:20+00:00]<Lcarsdata>ok, thanks
[2007-06-09T13:05:37+00:00]<_syphilis_>(same reason it takes you to google.co.uk in the uk)
[2007-06-09T13:05:51+00:00]<valhallasw>google does that on IP basis and not on language header basis?
[2007-06-09T13:06:15+00:00]<_syphilis_>yes
[2007-06-09T13:06:25+00:00]<valhallasw>ah, k
[2007-06-09T13:06:44+00:00]<Lcarsdata>eww, google looks ugly in lynx
[2007-06-09T13:06:59+00:00]<_syphilis_>use links, it has more advanced rendering
[2007-06-09T13:07:13+00:00]<Lcarsdata>kl
[2007-06-09T13:08:56+00:00]<Lcarsdata>yeah, it looks much better
[2007-06-09T13:09:41+00:00]<Lcarsdata>It is amazing how much stuff people manage to make work ont he command line.
[2007-06-09T13:09:54+00:00]<Lcarsdata>an irc client and a web browser
[2007-06-09T13:10:26+00:00]<Lcarsdata>if all this came preinstalled and wi-fi just worked (tm) on linux I would install and use linux from the command line
[2007-06-09T13:11:07+00:00]<_syphilis_>i find it more amazing that anyone thinks a GUI IRC client is a good idea :)
[2007-06-09T13:11:22+00:00]<Lcarsdata>:D
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[2007-06-09T13:14:34+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Hmm, less is so much better than more for some reason
[2007-06-09T13:14:41+00:00]<Lcarsdata>and my irc logger is broken
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[2007-06-09T13:17:07+00:00]<Lcarsdata>should be fixed now
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[2007-06-09T13:17:46+00:00]<Lcarsdata>that is better
[2007-06-09T13:18:34+00:00]<Lcarsdata>this is frustrating, my weblinkchecker for the commons has taken over an hour and I want to know how long it takes so I can calculate how long the en.wp one will take
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[2007-06-09T14:03:23+00:00]<Lcarsdata>hmm,
[2007-06-09T14:03:32+00:00]<Lcarsdata>this has taken nearly two hours
[2007-06-09T14:05:00+00:00]<Lcarsdata>The English Wikipedia is 22.6 times bigger than the Wikimedia Commons so therefore the Wikipedia check should take about 23 times longer.
[2007-06-09T14:05:12+00:00]<Lcarsdata>However the English Wikipedia has more external links I would guess.
[2007-06-09T14:05:30+00:00]<Lcarsdata>so it would take about three days
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[2007-06-09T14:08:40+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Martinp23: Sorry to bug you, but have you run your bot yet?
[2007-06-09T14:15:08+00:00]<Martinp23>Lcarsdata: /me looks now
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[2007-06-09T14:24:23+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Argh, all my screen sessions are jumbled.
[2007-06-09T14:24:39+00:00]<Lcarsdata> I will brb
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[2007-06-09T14:29:30+00:00]<valhallasw>I do have more than one screen session locally
[2007-06-09T14:29:36+00:00]<valhallasw>one for chat, one for downloading, etc
[2007-06-09T14:30:20+00:00]<valhallasw>my pywikipedia-toolserver-patch is getting better and better :)
[2007-06-09T14:30:39+00:00]<Lcarsdata>eww
[2007-06-09T14:30:50+00:00]<valhallasw>(uses database queries for as much as possible)
[2007-06-09T14:30:59+00:00]<valhallasw>whats 'eww' about that?
[2007-06-09T14:31:01+00:00]<Lcarsdata>no about screen
[2007-06-09T14:31:05+00:00]<valhallasw>ah
[2007-06-09T14:31:31+00:00]<Lcarsdata>_syphilis_: I ^AC-d out of the two php sessions (for the irc bots) but I can only get back into irssi (the one I ac-d first)
[2007-06-09T14:32:03+00:00]<Lcarsdata>it is really odd
[2007-06-09T14:32:07+00:00]<valhallasw>^A0 ^A1 ^A2 etc
[2007-06-09T14:32:24+00:00]<Lcarsdata>that doesn't work
[2007-06-09T14:32:26+00:00]<valhallasw>:o
[2007-06-09T14:32:31+00:00]<valhallasw>what does it do then?
[2007-06-09T14:32:44+00:00]<Lcarsdata>^A0 etc. do nothing
[2007-06-09T14:32:49+00:00]<valhallasw>it should popup a list of windows when an illegal number is inputted
[2007-06-09T14:32:52+00:00]<Lcarsdata>^A gets me back into irssi
[2007-06-09T14:32:52+00:00]<valhallasw>:|
[2007-06-09T14:32:59+00:00]<valhallasw>er.
[2007-06-09T14:33:15+00:00]<valhallasw>sounds like you've got one char in the command buffer or something
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[2007-06-09T14:34:14+00:00]<lcarsdata2>I just crasjed screen
[2007-06-09T14:35:02+00:00]<valhallasw>:O
[2007-06-09T14:35:38+00:00]<lcarsdata2>let me kill everything
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[2007-06-09T14:36:58+00:00]<valhallasw>now this is one of the functions that is going to rock on a database
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[2007-06-09T14:37:02+00:00]<valhallasw>Page.getReferences
[2007-06-09T14:37:08+00:00]<Lcarsdata>So, everything killed - I will try again
[2007-06-09T14:37:21+00:00]<valhallasw>hehe
[2007-06-09T14:38:32+00:00]<Lcarsdata>actually
[2007-06-09T14:38:36+00:00]<Lcarsdata>it kinda works
[2007-06-09T14:39:34+00:00]<Lcarsdata>_syphilis_: You are going shopping?
[2007-06-09T14:40:21+00:00]<_syphilis_>Lcarsdata: http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002892.html
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[2007-06-09T14:41:10+00:00]<Lcarsdata>ok...
[2007-06-09T14:41:34+00:00]<Lcarsdata>tapping ^A twice seems to switch to the last screen thing you had open
[2007-06-09T14:41:47+00:00]<_syphilis_>yes
[2007-06-09T14:42:22+00:00]<Lcarsdata>but...
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[2007-06-09T14:52:59+00:00]<valhallasw>heh.
[2007-06-09T14:56:11+00:00]<valhallasw>lolol
[2007-06-09T14:59:37+00:00]<valhallasw>Speciaal:VerwijzingenNaarHier
[2007-06-09T14:59:38+00:00]<valhallasw>:r
[2007-06-09T14:59:55+00:00]<valhallasw>that is just the worst translation ever
[2007-06-09T15:00:15+00:00]<_syphilis_>"Links to here"?
[2007-06-09T15:00:19+00:00]<valhallasw>yes
[2007-06-09T15:00:44+00:00]<valhallasw>how on earth is anyone going to remember that
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[2007-06-09T15:43:38+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I have had time to think about my predicement with screen.
[2007-06-09T15:43:50+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I think it might be related to my SSH client.
[2007-06-09T15:44:23+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I will look at the Wikipedia comparison article regarding them.
[2007-06-09T15:44:35+00:00]<_syphilis_>putty works fine with screen
[2007-06-09T15:44:43+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Hmm,
[2007-06-09T15:45:01+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I still don't understand why ^A0 ^A1 etc. don't work
[2007-06-09T15:45:03+00:00]<Lcarsdata>then.
[2007-06-09T15:45:47+00:00]<Lcarsdata>^A ^A works fine for switching between two windows, but I will have at least three windows running when I use the toolserver.
[2007-06-09T15:45:47+00:00]<_syphilis_>run screen. type "echo foo". type ^A c. type "echo bar". type ^A 0
[2007-06-09T15:46:01+00:00]<Lcarsdata>o
[2007-06-09T15:46:02+00:00]<Lcarsdata>k
[2007-06-09T15:46:56+00:00]<Lcarsdata>That doesn't work.
[2007-06-09T15:47:38+00:00]<_syphilis_>what happens?
[2007-06-09T15:47:42+00:00]<Lcarsdata>nothing
[2007-06-09T15:47:55+00:00]<_syphilis_>you are typing ^A 0, not ^A ^0, right?
[2007-06-09T15:48:11+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I am holding the ctrl a and 0 keys
[2007-06-09T15:48:15+00:00]<_syphilis_>no
[2007-06-09T15:48:30+00:00]<_syphilis_>hold ctrl, press A, release both keys, press 0
[2007-06-09T15:48:31+00:00]<Lcarsdata>is that incorrect?
[2007-06-09T15:48:34+00:00]<Lcarsdata>ahh
[2007-06-09T15:48:35+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I see
[2007-06-09T15:48:49+00:00]<Lcarsdata>voilla - it works!
[2007-06-09T15:48:57+00:00]<Lcarsdata>_syphilis_: You are the best sysadmin ever. Thanks.
[2007-06-09T15:49:02+00:00]<Lcarsdata>brb
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[2007-06-09T15:51:17+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Wow, this actually works!
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[2007-06-09T15:52:46+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I can only open 10 of these thing right?
[2007-06-09T15:53:34+00:00]<_syphilis_>you can open more but you have to switch by typing ^A '
[2007-06-09T15:53:40+00:00]<_syphilis_>it'll ask you for a window number
[2007-06-09T15:53:49+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I see.
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[2007-06-09T15:54:04+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Cool.
[2007-06-09T15:56:09+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Hmm, Putty just hung o.O
[2007-06-09T15:57:53+00:00]<valhallasw>:O
[2007-06-09T15:58:00+00:00]<valhallasw>sounds like a hanging ^A
[2007-06-09T15:58:01+00:00]<valhallasw>or something
[2007-06-09T15:58:07+00:00]<Lcarsdata>yeah
[2007-06-09T16:00:51+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I think it was, me idiot.
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[2007-06-09T16:08:41+00:00]<_syphilis_>welcome to the vast ranks of unix screen users
[2007-06-09T16:08:41+00:00]<_syphilis_>:)
[2007-06-09T16:08:54+00:00]<Lcarsdata>:D
[2007-06-09T16:09:07+00:00]<Lcarsdata>that has to e double deja vu
[2007-06-09T16:09:46+00:00]<Lcarsdata>seriously though, I was just about to type a message (then you sent one) and I had just done a /channel and saw Bryan wasn't here then he joined.
[2007-06-09T16:10:05+00:00]<Bryan>huh, what?
[2007-06-09T16:10:12+00:00]<Lcarsdata>dw
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[2007-06-09T16:11:40+00:00]<Bryan>derivative work?
[2007-06-09T16:13:54+00:00]<Lcarsdata>don't worry
[2007-06-09T16:21:37+00:00]<valhallasw>hum
[2007-06-09T16:21:53+00:00]<valhallasw>Bryan: what is the mysql module in pywikipedia for?
[2007-06-09T16:22:16+00:00]<Bryan>it's for automatic reconnection on connection loss
[2007-06-09T16:22:16+00:00]<valhallasw>mysql_autoconnection.py
[2007-06-09T16:22:42+00:00]<Bryan>if a query fails because mysql died, it will retry until mysql is back
[2007-06-09T16:22:51+00:00]<valhallasw>okay
[2007-06-09T16:22:54+00:00]<Bryan>up until a certain limit
[2007-06-09T16:22:59+00:00]<valhallasw>why is it in pywikipedia would be the right question :)
[2007-06-09T16:23:44+00:00]<Bryan>because it is a dependency for the updated checkusage.py i'm about to checkin :)
[2007-06-09T16:23:49+00:00]<valhallasw>ah :)
[2007-06-09T16:24:09+00:00]<valhallasw>I already was afraid I was doing double work with my mysql version of wikipedia.py
[2007-06-09T16:24:37+00:00]<valhallasw>the good news is it doesn't copy wikipedia.py, the bad news is it's a monkey patch
[2007-06-09T16:24:57+00:00]<valhallasw>but that's the only way I can find to change eg. functions in wikipedia.Page without changing wikipedia.py itself
[2007-06-09T16:25:05+00:00]<valhallasw>(because ImagePage etc inherit Page)
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[2007-06-09T16:41:30+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I have come to the conclusion that now I can actually use it successfully Linux is better than Windows.
[2007-06-09T16:42:01+00:00]<Lcarsdata>If only the web browser had a GUI and you could play Windows games on it.
[2007-06-09T16:43:05+00:00]<Bryan>cedega
[2007-06-09T16:43:20+00:00]<Bryan>and there are a lot of gui browsers on linux
[2007-06-09T16:46:30+00:00]<Lcarsdata>hmm
[2007-06-09T16:46:33+00:00]<Lcarsdata>let me try
[2007-06-09T16:47:14+00:00]<Lcarsdata>oh, the toolserver doesn't have that
[2007-06-09T16:47:29+00:00]<Bryan>of course not, toolserver doesn't have X ;)
[2007-06-09T16:47:36+00:00]<Lcarsdata>oh
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[2007-06-09T17:10:09+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I see.
[2007-06-09T17:10:09+00:00]<Bryan>in *nix, the window system is generally not baked into the kernel
[2007-06-09T17:10:09+00:00]<Lcarsdata>:P
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[2007-06-09T17:10:09+00:00]<_syphilis_>aalib
[2007-06-09T17:10:09+00:00]<_syphilis_>converts them to ascii art :)
[2007-06-09T17:10:09+00:00]<Lcarsdata>:p
[2007-06-09T17:10:09+00:00]<valhallasw>actually it's possible to play openttd from a console
[2007-06-09T17:10:09+00:00]<valhallasw>SDL has a console output option
[2007-06-09T17:10:09+00:00]<valhallasw>to 'play'.
[2007-06-09T17:10:09+00:00]<valhallasw>80x25 resolution just doesn't work too well
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[2007-06-09T17:10:09+00:00]<_syphilis_>drat, kernel is compiled without quotas
[2007-06-09T17:12:05+00:00]<Lcarsdata>quotas?
[2007-06-09T17:14:35+00:00]<_syphilis_>disk quotas
[2007-06-09T17:17:37+00:00]<valhallasw>why isn't this working... *sigh*
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[2007-06-09T17:29:25+00:00]<Lcarsdata>detaching
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[2007-06-09T17:52:26+00:00]<Agony|>can someone tell is personal database size calculated in total quota?
[2007-06-09T17:52:57+00:00]<_syphilis_>no
[2007-06-09T17:53:28+00:00]<Agony|>ok, thx
[2007-06-09T18:00:14+00:00]<siebrand>Agony|: thinking about migrating to binary db storage? ;0
[2007-06-09T18:01:23+00:00]<valhallasw>someone here who can help me with some UTF troubles?
[2007-06-09T18:02:06+00:00]<heinz>!replag
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[2007-06-09T18:02:28+00:00]<_syphilis_>whats the question
[2007-06-09T18:02:44+00:00]<valhallasw>'Doorverwijscaf\xc3\x83\xc2\xa9' is the raw string I got from the database (in python)
[2007-06-09T18:02:56+00:00]<valhallasw>but python fails to decode it to a correct unicode string
[2007-06-09T18:03:05+00:00]<_syphilis_>hm, dunno python
[2007-06-09T18:03:07+00:00]<valhallasw>it's a page_title
[2007-06-09T18:03:15+00:00]<valhallasw>should be utf-8, right?
[2007-06-09T18:04:02+00:00]<_syphilis_>yes, but the database thinks its latin-1
[2007-06-09T18:04:50+00:00]<valhallasw>yes
[2007-06-09T18:06:04+00:00]<valhallasw>when I decode it as utf-8, I get a string that looks like a windows-1232-decode of an utf string
[2007-06-09T18:06:10+00:00]<valhallasw>using http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/unicode-decoder/utf8-decoder
[2007-06-09T18:06:42+00:00]<_syphilis_>what i usually do in java is get the raw bytes of the string and create a new string using utf-8 encoding
[2007-06-09T18:06:59+00:00]<valhallasw>hmmm
[2007-06-09T18:07:07+00:00]<_syphilis_>(new String(s.getBytes("ISO-8859-1"), "UTF-8"))
[2007-06-09T18:09:52+00:00]<pgk>For python it'd be something like unicodestring = unicode(rawstring,'UTF-8')
[2007-06-09T18:09:52+00:00]<valhallasw>hum.
[2007-06-09T18:10:07+00:00]<valhallasw>it should be 'rawstring'.decode('utf-8')
[2007-06-09T18:10:16+00:00]<valhallasw>>>> b.decode('utf-8')
[2007-06-09T18:10:17+00:00]<valhallasw>u'Doorverwijscaf\xc3\xa9'
[2007-06-09T18:10:38+00:00]<pgk>That works too
[2007-06-09T18:10:54+00:00]<valhallasw>but that is not exactly an unicode-decoded string
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[2007-06-09T18:12:18+00:00]<_syphilis_>are you sure that's the real string?
[2007-06-09T18:12:23+00:00]<_syphilis_>it looks like it's been encoded twice
[2007-06-09T18:13:20+00:00]<valhallasw>yeah
[2007-06-09T18:13:43+00:00]<_syphilis_>should be Doorverwijscafé
[2007-06-09T18:14:25+00:00]<_syphilis_>Doorverwijscaf\xc3\xa9
[2007-06-09T18:14:43+00:00]<valhallasw>e with forward accent
[2007-06-09T18:14:50+00:00]<_syphilis_>yes
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[2007-06-09T18:15:24+00:00]<valhallasw>the utf-8 decoded string looks like the windows-1232 representation of the correct string
[2007-06-09T18:15:57+00:00]<_syphilis_>i suspect python is getting the utf-8 bytes, treating it as latin-1 and creating the unicode string Doorverwijscafé
[2007-06-09T18:16:03+00:00]<_syphilis_>(which is what it should be, according to the db)
[2007-06-09T18:18:15+00:00]<valhallasw>I'll try #python
[2007-06-09T18:18:37+00:00]<valhallasw>I'm having some trouble with unicode
[2007-06-09T18:18:38+00:00]<valhallasw>er
[2007-06-09T18:18:39+00:00]<valhallasw>wait
[2007-06-09T18:18:55+00:00]<valhallasw>I may have the problem
[2007-06-09T18:19:24+00:00]<valhallasw>check
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[2007-06-09T18:20:18+00:00]<valhallasw>for some reason I had a kwargs['charset'] = 'utf8' in my database layer
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[2007-06-09T18:20:34+00:00]<valhallasw>looks better now :_
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[2007-06-09T18:31:03+00:00]<Lcarsdata>the colors vim uses for syntax highlighting are groovy
[2007-06-09T18:34:26+00:00]<Bryan>does it work with """?
[2007-06-09T18:34:32+00:00]<Bryan>because nano doesn't
[2007-06-09T18:35:32+00:00]<Lcarsdata>hat do you mean?
[2007-06-09T18:35:36+00:00]<Lcarsdata>*what
[2007-06-09T18:35:37+00:00]<valhallasw>Bryan: yes
[2007-06-09T18:35:50+00:00]<valhallasw>all my SQL queries in python are multi-line ;)
[2007-06-09T18:36:03+00:00]<Bryan>great
[2007-06-09T18:36:14+00:00]<Bryan>now only have to learn :i:qw! and stuff
[2007-06-09T18:36:42+00:00]<valhallasw>:w = write, :q = quit, :q! = quit, nosave, :wq = save,quit
[2007-06-09T18:36:45+00:00]<valhallasw>:o = open
[2007-06-09T18:36:58+00:00]<valhallasw>those are the most important ;)
[2007-06-09T18:37:27+00:00]<Bryan>why should you save, if you don't know how to edit ;)
[2007-06-09T18:37:39+00:00]<valhallasw>oh
[2007-06-09T18:37:46+00:00]<valhallasw>and insert and escape :D
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[2007-06-09T18:43:19+00:00]<Lcarsdata>valhallasw: Does :w save?
[2007-06-09T18:43:26+00:00]<valhallasw>yes
[2007-06-09T18:43:26+00:00]<valhallasw>write
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[2007-06-09T18:43:42+00:00]<Lcarsdata>thanks
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[2007-06-09T18:55:02+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I want to be able to add and delete stuff from my subversion repo using my toolserver account. How can I do this without uplaoding my private key to the toolserver?
[2007-06-09T18:55:16+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Or is that actually dangerous?
[2007-06-09T18:55:27+00:00]<Lcarsdata>i.e. Is it safe to upload my key to the toolserver?
[2007-06-09T18:56:21+00:00]<valhallasw>in theory, you can forward ssh keys
[2007-06-09T18:56:35+00:00]<Lcarsdata>theory that is
[2007-06-09T18:56:39+00:00]<valhallasw>or you could create a new key for on the toolserver
[2007-06-09T18:56:47+00:00]<valhallasw>theory as in I have never tried
[2007-06-09T18:56:51+00:00]<Lcarsdata>true
[2007-06-09T18:57:01+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I will do that.
[2007-06-09T18:57:05+00:00]<valhallasw>k
[2007-06-09T18:57:21+00:00]<Lcarsdata>The fact of the matter is that no-one can do anything without the password to my key anyway.
[2007-06-09T18:58:48+00:00]<Bryan>Lcarsdata: you don't need to use ssh...
[2007-06-09T18:58:51+00:00]<Bryan>use file://
[2007-06-09T18:59:13+00:00]<_syphilis_>lcars: if you type your passphrase on hemlock, anyone with root could find it
[2007-06-09T18:59:13+00:00]<Lcarsdata>cool
[2007-06-09T18:59:25+00:00]<Bryan>(svn is somewhat weird... takes some time to understand it)
[2007-06-09T18:59:36+00:00]<valhallasw>'somewhat' is somewhat an understatement ;)
[2007-06-09T18:59:45+00:00]<Lcarsdata>_syphilis_: Are the people with root not trusted to not disclose any information.
[2007-06-09T19:00:17+00:00]<valhallasw>with passwords, avoid giving people even the possibility of getting it
[2007-06-09T19:00:58+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Bryan: So is this meant to work? svn checkout file://robert@home/robert/subversion svnout
[2007-06-09T19:01:16+00:00]<Bryan>without the username
[2007-06-09T19:01:21+00:00]<Bryan>file:///home, etc
[2007-06-09T19:01:24+00:00]<Lcarsdata>...
[2007-06-09T19:01:41+00:00]<Lcarsdata>svn: Unable to open an ra_local session to URL
[2007-06-09T19:01:42+00:00]<Lcarsdata>svn: Local URL 'file://home/robert/subversion' contains unsupported hostname
[2007-06-09T19:01:53+00:00]<Lcarsdata>o.o
[2007-06-09T19:01:54+00:00]<Bryan>the username in the svn+ssh://username@hem[...] is only used for ssh
[2007-06-09T19:02:00+00:00]<Bryan>Lcarsdata: tripple /
[2007-06-09T19:02:19+00:00]<Lcarsdata>ok
[2007-06-09T19:02:34+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Bryan: neat!
[2007-06-09T19:07:44+00:00]<valhallasw>yeah
[2007-06-09T19:08:02+00:00]<valhallasw>and svn+ssh actually starts a new svn server that tunnels all data as text through the ssh terminal
[2007-06-09T19:16:35+00:00]<Lcarsdata>lol @ beepmode
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[2007-06-09T19:27:46+00:00]<_syphilis_>Lcarsdata: yes, but what if the system is compromised?
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[2007-06-09T20:58:14+00:00]<LeonWP>_syphilis_, what quota will I get?
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[2007-06-09T20:59:42+00:00]<_syphilis_>LeonWP: is 1GB reasonable?
[2007-06-09T21:00:13+00:00]<LeonWP>yes
[2007-06-09T21:00:20+00:00]<LeonWP>it's ok
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[2007-06-09T21:51:59+00:00]<_syphilis_>akl: hello
[2007-06-09T21:52:10+00:00]<_syphilis_>akl: would you please change tools.wikimedia.de to be a cname for hemlock.ts.wikimedia.org?
[2007-06-09T21:53:19+00:00]<akl>hiho
[2007-06-09T21:53:45+00:00]<Misza13>yes, plz - /me lazy - /me not want update .ssh/config ;)
[2007-06-09T21:54:03+00:00]<_syphilis_>Misza13: the old name will still work (forever)
[2007-06-09T21:54:33+00:00]<akl>_syphilis_: hemlock.ts.wikimedia.org instead of hemlock.knams.wikimedia.org ?
[2007-06-09T21:54:43+00:00]<Misza13>oh, ok - but I use tools.wikimedia.de everywhere :)
[2007-06-09T21:54:43+00:00]<_syphilis_>akl: yes
[2007-06-09T21:55:00+00:00]<akl>_syphilis_: same for pgcount.wikimedia.de and bibliography.wikimedia.de ?
[2007-06-09T21:55:06+00:00]<_syphilis_>akl: yep
[2007-06-09T21:55:55+00:00]<akl>_syphilis_: done (all three)
[2007-06-09T21:56:01+00:00]<_syphilis_>thanks
[2007-06-09T22:02:09+00:00]<_syphilis_>akl: btw, we got a delivery date on the switch (see topic). mark was at the colo last week and confirmed the server and array are there, they've both been racked
[2007-06-09T22:02:46+00:00]<_syphilis_>i wonder, if we'd waited until now to buy it, would we have gotten a better price? :)
[2007-06-09T22:03:30+00:00]<TheLetterE>Hmm, whats happening on en-wp? "Due to high database server lag, changes newer than 155 seconds might not be shown in this list.
[2007-06-09T22:04:11+00:00]<TheLetterE>200 secs now ;\
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[2007-06-09T22:04:35+00:00]<akl>_syphilis_: thanks. great!
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[2007-06-10T09:19:34+00:00]<Filnik>Hello
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[2007-06-10T11:03:47+00:00]<_syphilis_>hmm, i meant to reboot again last night but i fell asleep
[2007-06-10T11:05:17+00:00]<_syphilis_>so it'll have to be now, sorry
[2007-06-10T11:06:34+00:00]<Filnik>_syphilis_: why i have thise message? The system is going DOWN for reboot in 9 minutes!
[2007-06-10T11:06:43+00:00]<Filnik>(on toolserver)
[2007-06-10T11:07:01+00:00]<_syphilis_>Filnik: because it is
[2007-06-10T11:07:02+00:00]<_syphilis_>:)
[2007-06-10T11:07:05+00:00]<_syphilis_>it'll be back shortly
[2007-06-10T11:07:23+00:00]<Filnik>_syphilis_: ah.... but, i'll lost all my processes open?
[2007-06-10T11:08:34+00:00]<_syphilis_>Filnik: yes
[2007-06-10T11:08:42+00:00]<Filnik>:(
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[2007-06-10T11:09:41+00:00]<valhallasw>reboot? o noes!
[2007-06-10T11:09:57+00:00]<Filnik>valhallasw: indeed...
[2007-06-10T11:10:06+00:00]<Filnik>:(
[2007-06-10T11:11:11+00:00]<valhallasw>why doesn't my stupid query thing work :|
[2007-06-10T11:11:50+00:00]<_syphilis_>cuz its stupid huhu
[2007-06-10T11:11:50+00:00]<_syphilis_>;-)
[2007-06-10T11:11:50+00:00]<valhallasw>;)
[2007-06-10T11:11:57+00:00]<valhallasw>PyDoc runs mysqldb
[2007-06-10T11:12:19+00:00]<valhallasw>and for some reason it's trying to connect to hemlock as sql server :|
[2007-06-10T11:12:29+00:00]<erwin85>_syphilis_, would I get an e-mail if such a broadcast/reboot were made during a crontab job which sends it's output to a log file?
[2007-06-10T11:12:33+00:00]<_syphilis_>erwin85: no
[2007-06-10T11:12:59+00:00]<valhallasw>as long as it does not scream to /dev/stderr
[2007-06-10T11:13:00+00:00]<erwin85>So my cron tab would simply fail without me knowing? Hmm.. got to check the edits/logs then.
[2007-06-10T11:13:20+00:00]<_syphilis_>erwin85: you could log in and notice that the `uptime` is smaller
[2007-06-10T11:13:25+00:00]<_syphilis_>if you suspect something went wrong
[2007-06-10T11:13:28+00:00]<erwin85>Good point
[2007-06-10T11:13:29+00:00]<valhallasw>*grin*
[2007-06-10T11:14:15+00:00]<valhallasw>geeeeeeez
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[2007-06-10T14:40:48+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Okay.
[2007-06-10T14:40:59+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Explains why all my processes died.
[2007-06-10T14:41:19+00:00]<_syphilis_>someone was working on linux kernel reloading without a reboot
[2007-06-10T14:41:26+00:00]<_syphilis_>dunno how that's going
[2007-06-10T14:45:50+00:00]<Lcarsdata>_syphilis_: Has a disk quota been decided on?
[2007-06-10T14:46:01+00:00]<_syphilis_>read the mailing list
[2007-06-10T14:46:30+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Okay, I am going through my mail at the moment - thanks.
[2007-06-10T14:47:51+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I see, fair enough.
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[2007-06-10T15:00:47+00:00]<Bjelleklang>_syphilis_: do you have a list of expired accounts? I replied to dab as per the mailing list, but now I can't access the toolserver for some reason
[2007-06-10T15:01:03+00:00]<Bjelleklang>and the public_html is also down
[2007-06-10T15:15:06+00:00]<_syphilis_>Bjelleklang: your account was expired. shall i unexpire it?
[2007-06-10T15:15:34+00:00]<Bjelleklang>yes please :)
[2007-06-10T15:16:33+00:00]<_syphilis_>okay, done. you'll need to reset permissions on your public_html. (755 or so)
[2007-06-10T15:17:17+00:00]<Bjelleklang>ok, thanks for the help :)
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[2007-06-10T15:38:04+00:00]<_syphilis_>Connel: are you here?
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[2007-06-10T15:47:30+00:00]<_syphilis_>WarX: you're over 256M of disk space and i didn't get a reply to the mail i sent you. will you delete some files or do you want a larger quota?
[2007-06-10T15:47:44+00:00]<WarX>I will move
[2007-06-10T15:47:50+00:00]<WarX>in next few minutes
[2007-06-10T15:47:55+00:00]<WarX>my data to another machine
[2007-06-10T15:48:09+00:00]<_syphilis_>okay.
[2007-06-10T15:48:17+00:00]<_syphilis_>(you can leave it there if you want, no problem. but you need to do one or the other)
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[2007-06-10T15:50:03+00:00]<_Duesentrieb_>we have quotas now?
[2007-06-10T15:50:20+00:00]<_syphilis_>again, yes
[2007-06-10T15:50:26+00:00]<_syphilis_>you need to reply to that mail too :)
[2007-06-10T15:50:38+00:00]<_syphilis_>(i guess you were a bit busy before)
[2007-06-10T15:50:40+00:00]<_Duesentrieb_>i was
[2007-06-10T15:50:52+00:00]<_Duesentrieb_>i read the mail and deleted about 30% auf that stuff.
[2007-06-10T15:51:22+00:00]<_Duesentrieb_>i must have missed the "reply" bit :)
[2007-06-10T15:51:53+00:00]<_Duesentrieb_>most space is used by two copies of mediawiki (different revisions) and my rrd files for tool statistics.
[2007-06-10T15:52:03+00:00]<_syphilis_>you can reply on irc if you like
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[2007-06-10T15:52:10+00:00]<_syphilis_>just say if you need more than the standard quota (256M)
[2007-06-10T15:52:18+00:00]<_Duesentrieb_>i guess i am :)
[2007-06-10T15:53:01+00:00]<_Duesentrieb_>i guess i do. at least twice that i guess.
[2007-06-10T15:53:38+00:00]<_syphilis_>okay, i gave you 512M. you can change it if you like: quotatool -b -u daniel -q 512M -l 768M /home
[2007-06-10T15:53:48+00:00]<_Duesentrieb_>yea, thanks.
[2007-06-10T15:54:08+00:00]<WarX>_syphilis_: I'm moving 300 MB of data to Wrocław
[2007-06-10T15:56:25+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Does the toolserver happen to have some undeletion software installed on it?
[2007-06-10T15:56:34+00:00]<_syphilis_>no
[2007-06-10T15:57:19+00:00]<_syphilis_>there are nightly backups of /home if you need something
[2007-06-10T15:57:45+00:00]<Lcarsdata>:( - /me accidentally removed a config file because svn confused him. Doesn't matter really (and it was only created about ten minutes ago)
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[2007-06-10T15:58:20+00:00]<ST47>it hurts his head
[2007-06-10T15:59:01+00:00]<WarX>_syphilis_: done
[2007-06-10T15:59:12+00:00]<_syphilis_>thx
[2007-06-10T15:59:23+00:00]<_syphilis_>WarX: you got standard quota then. say if you need more
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[2007-06-10T16:33:24+00:00]<Bryan> /usr/local/bin/showquota appears not to be working
[2007-06-10T16:33:36+00:00]<Bryan> /usr/local/bin/showquota: line 3: quotatool: not found
[2007-06-10T16:33:38+00:00]<Bryan>at login
[2007-06-10T16:39:21+00:00]<_syphilis_>hm
[2007-06-10T16:39:37+00:00]<_syphilis_>should be fixed now
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[2007-06-10T16:41:47+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Neat, I am using 57MB of my 256MB quota.
[2007-06-10T16:42:19+00:00]<_syphilis_>you can get more detail from 'quota -s'
[2007-06-10T16:42:24+00:00]<_syphilis_>showquota is just a summary for login
[2007-06-10T16:42:40+00:00]<Lcarsdata>ahh
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[2007-06-10T16:45:54+00:00]<valhallasw>168MB here
[2007-06-10T16:45:59+00:00]<valhallasw>might want to do some cleaning ;)
[2007-06-10T16:46:07+00:00]<Lcarsdata>you still have nearly 100MB
[2007-06-10T16:46:16+00:00]<valhallasw>yeah
[2007-06-10T16:57:39+00:00]<valhallasw>Bryan?
[2007-06-10T16:57:50+00:00]<Bryan>?
[2007-06-10T16:58:07+00:00]<valhallasw>http://tools.wikimedia.de/websvn/listing.php?repname=valhallasw&path=%2Flibs%2Fpython%2Fpywikipedia%2F&rev=0&sc=0 -> wikipedia_ts.py and catlib_ts.py (and toolserver.py)
[2007-06-10T16:58:17+00:00]<valhallasw>still in development, but I'm getting somewhere
[2007-06-10T16:58:31+00:00]<valhallasw>and yes, I am monkey patching pywikipedia ;)
[2007-06-10T17:01:21+00:00]<vishwin60>!replag
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[2007-06-10T17:07:09+00:00]<Lcarsdata>Odd,
[2007-06-10T17:07:16+00:00]<Lcarsdata>I can't send messages to #mediawiki
[2007-06-10T17:07:33+00:00]<_syphilis_>yes you can, you're flooding the channel
[2007-06-10T17:07:42+00:00]<Lcarsdata>ach
[2007-06-10T17:08:08+00:00]<Lcarsdata>sorry
[2007-06-10T17:08:13+00:00]<valhallasw>8)7
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[2007-06-10T17:15:09+00:00]<Bryan>valhallasw: monkey?
[2007-06-10T17:15:24+00:00]<valhallasw>Bryan: yes.
[2007-06-10T17:15:45+00:00]<valhallasw>overwriting eg. wikipedia.Site.dbName with another function
[2007-06-10T17:16:30+00:00]<Bryan>that is...
[2007-06-10T17:16:42+00:00]<Bryan>a wrong way of programming ;P
[2007-06-10T17:16:59+00:00]<valhallasw>it's the only way to accomplish this without copying wikipedia.py :p
[2007-06-10T17:17:31+00:00]<valhallasw>so no, it's not a wrong way of programming, it's a way of keeping things easy to maintain
[2007-06-10T17:17:41+00:00]<valhallasw>because you haven't got two wikipedia.py's with 90% the same code
[2007-06-10T17:17:41+00:00]<Bryan>well, you could have Site accept an imageclass variable
[2007-06-10T17:17:58+00:00]<Bryan>and then instead of of calling directly ImagePage(), self.imageclass()
[2007-06-10T17:18:39+00:00]<valhallasw>yes
[2007-06-10T17:18:43+00:00]<valhallasw>might work for class
[2007-06-10T17:18:45+00:00]<valhallasw>for Site
[2007-06-10T17:18:46+00:00]<Bryan>but that is a lot of work
[2007-06-10T17:18:47+00:00]<valhallasw>not for Page
[2007-06-10T17:18:56+00:00]<valhallasw>as ImagePage etc. are subclasses of